After some thought I decided this was the best way to get this information out there to protect other people,

This page contains information about an Ebay auction I was the so called "winner".  I have done the best I can to provide all the information and leave it un -edited.  It is here for your review and your own judgments.

This started when I wanted to convert my Mustangs rear to disc brakes.  Here is the original auction listing as some screen captures spliced together.  Read it carefully and pay attention to the Payment Details section as it will become the focus for this issue.

Notice the auction ended July 31 2007.  My Paypal account indicates I paid Donald Henderson on August 1st 2007.  Also note I opted to pay the extra $70 for "new rotors, brake pads and e-brake shoes".  I figured if I was going to pay $65 for shipping I might as well get new parts in this deal instead of risk junk being sent.  A check of local pricing indicated that was a fair deal.

Payment instructions


THESE ARE OFF A 92...SINCE YOU BOUGHT THESE FROM ME IF YOU WOULD LIKE NEW BRAKE PADS,E-BRAKE PADS AND ROTORS INCLUDE $70 MORE IN YOUR PAYMENT..THIS IS A HECK OF A DEAL...buyer may pay with paypal or m/o within 5 days of auction end. BUYER WILL PAY $65 S&H. No dead beat bidders!
THANKS D

On Friday August 10 2007 I arrived home to find no package and no contact from the seller.  I figured 9 days was a respectable time period to wait for at least a shipping notice or tracking number.

I sent a message that evening through Ebay.

Please send a tracking number for this item

Thanks  Chris

 

On Saturday August 11 2007 I received a message and a series of messages followed.  Its a little hard to read but I didnt want to edit it .

Payment details
Payment method Preferred/Accepted
Credit or debit card through PayPal
 
Seller Preferred
Money order/Cashiers check Accepted
Seller's payment instructions
 
buyer may pay with paypal or m/o within 5 days of auction end. BUYER WILL PAY $65 S&H. No dead beat bidders! THANKS DJ
 

 

 

 
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Afraid I still dont see it.

So when do you plan on shipping this item?

ecperformance1@aol.com wrote:
 IT SAYS IN PAYMENT DETALS...SORRY YOU DIDN'T READ IT ALL BUT AS STATED THIS IS ON ACCOUNT OF GAS PRICES I LIVE QUITE FAR FROM UPS AND CAN'T RUN IN EVERYTIME AN AUCTION ENDS..I'M SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THIS..ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR WEEKEND ..THANKS DJ


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris (CB) <boyercl@embarqmail.com>
To: ecperformance1@aol.com
Sent: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: Message from eBay Member Regarding Item #160141589262

 
I have read the auction several times. 
 
Please indicate the 2 week shipping in the auction? 
 
This seems to be a little strange as payment was made promptly. Do you have these parts in stock or not? 
 
I would have expected prompt shipping to go with prompt payment. 
 
eBay Member: e.coastperformance wrote: 
> eBay *eBay sent this message to Chris Boyer (apdsales).* 
> Your registered name is included to show this message originated from > eBay. Learn more > <http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/name-userid-emails.html>. 

> > 

> *Response to Question about FORD MUSTANG DISC BRAKE CONVERSION KIT 
> 64 1/2 65 66 67 * 

> > 
> > Do not respond to the sender if this message requests that you > complete the transaction outside of eBay. This type of offer is > against eBay policy, may be fraudulent, and is not covered by buyer > protection programs. Learn more > <http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-non-ebay-sale.html>. 

> > 
> > *Dear apdsales,* 

 


> > NO PROBLEM I WILL SEND ONE AS SOON AS SHIPPED I SHIP WITHIN TWO WEEKS > OF PAYMENT RECIEVED AS STATED IN ADD..THANKS DJ 
 

 

> > > > *- e.coastperformance* > 
> > Respond Now > <http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?M2MContact&item=160141589262&requested=e.coastperformance&qid=266042530&redirect=0&sspagename=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1> > 
> / Responses will not include your email address. / 

> *Item and user details*

 

As you can see I was informed there is a 2 week shipping delay?  This delay was supposed to have been in the auction listing.

I have been down this road before and am very careful about reading auctions.  I reviewed the auction and found no such delay mentioned.  Then asked to have it pointed out and why a delay.  His response states it was in the Payment Details section. and implied I did not read the auction?  Hmmm 

A short time later that evening i received yet 1 more message from this seller

I hate to admit it but when I went back and reviewed it your right...but please your hostility is not needed ..UNLESS THERE'S A LANGUAGE BEARIER THAT'S THE WAY I READ YOUR E-MAILS.....I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPEND WITH THE ADD AS I RELIST IN THIS PROCESS YOU RELIST,REVIEW,AND SUBMIT..I NEVER CHANGE ANYTHING..SO WEIRD..ANYWAY I'M GLAD TO KNOW SO I CAN WATCH MY ADDS...WILL SEND OUT ASAP..THANKS DJ


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 So I'm right.  but WAIT I'm "hostile" ???? 

Some one, any one please point out to me WHERE I was hostile  ?? 

Now I admit  I will not win the warm and fuzzy of the year award, but hostile ????  Seriously  ???

I am a customer I waited a reasonable amount of time to receive a package and when none arrived I got concerned and asked to track it.

I went and reviewed his feedback.  Feel free to do the same.  It seems he has issues resolving customer concerns.  I decided at that point to let it go a few days to let him cool off.  Further communication would get me nothing at this point.  Note he indicates will ship ASAP.

Its now Tuesday August 14 2007 when I decided to put up this page.

No contact, no tracking number (my original request) and no package.   I didn't expect a package this soon but not even a tracking number for "ASAP shipping"  how many auctions have ended and how many has he not shipped at this point??

August 20 2007 - Well its been over a week since the last contact.  The "WITHIN 2 week" shipping was over on the 15th.

I checked with UPS to see what a 14x14x14 package weighing 40 lbs would cost to ship and the time it would take to get from Winston Salem to me in PA

Package Details
Package Weight Dimensions / Packaging Declared Value Notices
1 40 lbs. 14 x 14 x 14 in. /
My Packaging
260 USD  

Rates By Service
Service Days In Transit Guaranteed By Total
UPS Next Day Air®

Billable Weight: 40.0 lbs.
 
1 By End of Day
Thursday
August 16, 2007 
93.32 USD*
 
UPS 2nd Day Air®

Billable Weight: 40.0 lbs.
 
2 By End of Day
Friday
August 17, 2007 
55.24 USD*
 
UPS Ground

Billable Weight: 40.0 lbs.
 
2 By End of Day
Friday
August 17, 2007 
22.27 USD*
 
Rates may vary at retail locations.
Result estimates calculated by UPS:  Tuesday, August 21, 2007 11:30 A.M. Eastern Time (USA)

* Rate includes a fuel surchargefuel surcharge.

 

You can clearly see the ship time is 2 days.  There is no difference between ground and 2 day except for the cost.  Keep in mind I paid $65 for shipping.  Twice what the cost should be.  A 60lb package adds about $5 to the ground cost.

I decided the best route to go at this point was to start the claims process.  Previous contact proved less than productive

I sent this message through the Paypal claims system

From Buyer: Appealing Designs on 8/20/2007 18:02 PDT

 

Auction ended July 31 2007. I paid August 1 2007August 10 2007 I requested a tracking number for this item. received this response. "NO PROBLEM I WILL SEND ONE AS SOON AS SHIPPED I SHIP WITHIN TWO WEEKS OF PAYMENT RECIEVED AS STATED IN ADD..THANKS DJ"2 weeks from date of payment was August 15 2007. UPS indicates there is a 2 day shipping time for basic service ground packages from your location to me. That should make total time August 17 if this package was shiiped "WITHIN" 2 weeks of payment.What is the tracking number for this shipment?

Its Thursday August 23 2007.  I received this message privately not through Paypal....

I FIGURED OUT WHAT HAPPEN WITH YOUR KIT..I SET IT ASIDE TO SHIP OUT EARLY..AND WHEN MY GUY TOOK THE PACKAGES HE LEFT YOURS...VERY SORRY IT HAD TO BE YOURS SINCE YOU ARE VERY ANXIOUS...BUT I'M SENDING OUT PERSONALLY TODAY..AND WILL SEND YOU A TRACKING NUMBER..COULD YOU PLEASE END THE DISPUTE WHEN YOU RECIEVE THE TRACKING ##.THANKS..GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR CONVERSION..THANKS DJ
 

Well at least its a response?  Lets see when the tracking number shows up.

Will update when / if I get anything.  I'm interested to see the quality of these parts should they arrive.

 

 


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